Friday, March 26, 2010

divide and conquer

Following Kish Tailers comment on my last blog. In it, he points out how this issue with Charlie is a classic case of divide and conquer with people taking sides. So I would like to state here, that although at times i feel negatively towards Charlie and superior to him, (which when transalated psychologically means I am feeling negatively towards myself and inferior to him) at other times I am ok with him and am grateful for all that we did together and even for his actions now - not because I agree with or sanction them, but because this whole episode is bringing me ever more learning and understanding about myself and the world.

Someone recently pointed out to me that I am not THAT upset about the videos being back up because he overheard me telling someone to look them up ! So there is that as well.

I still stand by my statement about my not giving him permission and still choose to distance myself from him but it doesnt have to be about taking sides. There are no sides really.

113 comments:

AlexFate said...

It’s interesting how people are connected isn’t it Danny – with your disconnection to Charlie and the videos it seemed as if a shift had happened and people became more polarised. I found it very curious to read people choosing sides – it was as if they had been wanting it all along and could finally express themselves.
I think that in order to be true to yourself you had no option but to declare your position and that of course should be healthy – but I also see the same for Charlie, he had no choice either and really believed that the videos were bigger than two you.
So curiously you both behaved in a similar way – you are closer than perhaps you would like to admit… but of course you have different motivations, directions and responsibilities. I believe your main fear is not what Charlie does but the ‘guilt’ others may place upon you by your association to him. A difficult situation for you to be in – on many levels.
Yet by watching the replies to both yourself and Charlie it’s clear that many people feel reassured by your splitting. So I’m pleased to read this blog – I’m sure between the lines I read the word friend this time… ;-) Friendship is useful in difficult situations.

sheeplecorporation said...

Danny it sounds like your slowly coming around to the idea that the videos will always be part of the public arena now with or without your permission. Perhaps its time to look inside for some deep reflection and ask yourself if you can embrace something that you cannot control, rather than have an issue with it which ultimately causes you more negative thought or feelings. Im not telling you how to think, but i wonder if you can turn your position of the videos into one that you can reflect back upon positively.

Croatoan said...

Anything humanity tries to solidify into a concept will end up in division. The moment someone says "This is my idea..." there is separation that hides itself inside a momentary, conceptual, unity.

The concept is not the thing. It is only a limited description. What people are not understanding is that you and Charlie never split.

This is at least what I found in my on life.

danny shine said...

I think the problem here is that things are happening on different levels. There's the psychological, spiritual, emotional and physical levels. On some level, perhaps we are all one and there is no split and it doesnt matter one iota. But on another level, say the physical level, its very different. The court experience is a good example of that. Spending time in court is fascinating because there are so many things happening on different levels. The 'split' with Charlie was chosen on different levels for different reasons. On the physical illusory world level, it was to protect myself legally from any recklessness he chooses. For example, to me it seems utterly stupid for him to have his police academy thing and even more so at the Israeli embassy tomorrow. He has almost zero understanding of what is going in in Israel and what he may be getting himself into and I want nothing to do with that.

Farooq said...

Danny,

seriously I don't understand what's going on. You're giving us small bits which do not clear things and confuse us more.
I really don't understand why you don't want the EOK series being online. You both are actors in some funny clips. Even Scientology Tom Cruise play in films with other person which doesnt make the other person playing there scientologists. I think everyone knows this. On your videos there is nothing you don't support. It's Charlie's personal videos, he doesn't share this opinion on your great cooperation. You should think about it this way.

Regards

Anonymous said...

It will all come right in the end.

There is a process going on and you are in the middle of it, but it will reach a calmer more settled place. it always does.

You may never work directly with Charlie again, or you might. I think it's entirely possible to work together in ways you agree to, while making it clear you don't support everything he does. You already did that, and everyone was clear on it, and Charlie was good enough to actually film you distancing yourself from him and his views and actions and being critical of them.

Once you have realized that you don't actually have to publicly separate and disown Charlie and all your former work together, for self preservation reasons, then I can see you being comfortable with the videos being available and even with acknowledging that while you are very different from Charlie in many ways, he is still a friend and does what he feels is right, just as you do.

Anonymous said...

Just to offer another perspective, you have said you have felt 'hurt and violated' by Charlie's actions, but are you capable of seeing that Charlie might have a right to feel 'hurt and violated' by your actions too?

I could give several examples of how this could be the case, but would prefer not to. You are a smart man. I'm just interested if you are able to see that, just as you have made a case against Charlie, in a sense, that an equally good case could also be made against you over this issue? Or do you see yourself exclusively as the 'injured party'?

If you can see, then as a certain wise man from Galilee once allegedly said

"keep on releasing, that you may be released".

Is it possible you you can forget Charlie's flaws and supposed 'violations' in order to be freed from 'guilt' from your own?

Anonymous said...

It's not about sides, every time some of us leave comments to charlie he removes them and is rude in his replys.
Instead of a constructive critisism and exchange of ideas, some of us were set upon by some of his freeky followers who love him and agressivly talk ablout love and peace.
So instead of silently watching now others are telling charlie what they really think it is easier to tell him.
I suppose some people are taking sides but thats them. He sent me some nasty messeges so thats my gripe with him.

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Christopher Dickson said...

Hi Danny, would just like to wish you well in all your endeavors, and say keep up the good 'work' :-) much love, Chris

arlenes said...

The only thing I can add at this point is that one pro to all of this drama is that you are posting so regularly now.

Anonymous said...

Danny,I think that whilst you made some great,confronational, beuatifully spiritied videos, you are now in danger of blowing it all out of proprotion : You are going on a bit.

Yes, they were good films, yes, they made some people think -- but don't get too carried away about their importance; keep your feet on the ground-- neither you or Charlie are Huey Newton, Malcolom X, Steve Biko, Chomsky, Amy Goodman,Norman Finkelstein, Guy Debord, Dadaist,Situationist or Krishnamurti figures, not by any stretch of the imagination. Rather, in reality, what you did is more Hyde Park 'speakers corner' or Alex Jones with bells on.

I am by no means denigrating you and Charlie -- I, and many others clearly really enjoyed what you did, and saw its value -- However, I am just trying to put some perspective on things here.

You guys aren't 21st century Krishnamurtis or street Situationists by any means.

All the Best,

Mario.

Anonymous said...

PS Just to repeat, what I wrote is by no means whatsoever meant as spite or condescencion -- I think your videos were very good, and far preferred your work to Charlies for what its worth.

Anonymous said...

Love and light.

Mario.

danny shine said...

Anonymous - I completely agree. We are not even close to the guys you mention. I dont think for one minute I entertained that idea (although I think Charlie is getting lost in thinking he might be but thats his problem) This past few months has been very turbulent for me and I have had people warn me strongly of the possible consequences of association with Charlie. I just felt I had to protect myself and as I said, I may be wrong and paranoid but who knows how the intelligence services' minds work. I have seen how crazy the law system is so again, that could go anywhere. But I agree, we are not in Krishnamurti's league.

Anonymous said...

Quip sniping at Charlie at every opportunity Danny, it doesn't become you.

But if you keep doing so, it soon will.

danny shine said...

well maybe it already does become me. Its actually a real challenge to avoid it but I take it on board. I dont think I was sniping at him - I was telling it as it is. I think he really believes he is going to turn things around. He has said that to me in so many words. BUt your point in general is taken and I have sniped a fair bit. I think I have had enough of all of this for the time being. As usual, one pinger pointed outwards in accusation leaves 3 fingers pointed back towards me.

Anonymous said...

"As usual, one finger pointed outwards in accusation leaves 3 fingers pointed back towards me."

lol Sounds like there might be something to the Wiccan's Karma-esque "Threefold Law of Return" after all.

Anonymous said...

I can see why you'd want to disassociate yourself from these videos. I can also understand why you feel it necessary to distance yourself from that other chap.

All those seemingly negative aspects of the EOK series you mention were things I found difficult to deal with when watching them, although despite wincing at certain points, I thought and still think they're the deepest-reaching, most playful, perplexing and entertaining pieces of film I've watched in a long time.

Without wishing to sound simultaneously condescending and mysterious, it's clear this is all about your taking time to learn the obvious lesson from your experience.

Popplemouse said...

Cant think of anything more strength building on all levels then taking your family out into nature now the weathers picking up and have a bit of fun its a good recipe and beats this trap of internet emotion draining, is just a trap.

The walrus said...

I just saw a bit of the latest escapade. Though not his own footage.

Lost it's shine. Lol.

I think we're done here.

Let's have some charlie free blog posts please. Maybe?

Are you going to keep a blog going?

I simply enjoy your insights and think you write rather well.

Regards.

Jimme said...

I went to the Love Police event yesterday and watched silently. I had a strange feeling - on the one hand it was good to see well-meaning, like-minded humans in one place - but on the other, it was a bit weird seeing most of them hanging on every word Charlie said, laughing inordinately at his jokes, a bit like a crowd at a stand-up comedy show who are have paid for for a laugh, and are therefore easier to make laugh. Fans you might say, but not all of them, to be fair. He referred to the attendees as 'love police cadets', 'undercover love police' and such like, inferring a hierarchy, presumably with him at the top. Ironic, when it's that sort of tendency for hierarchy and leadership that's got us in this mess he wants to help get us out of.

I'm being utterly two-faced here as I left a positive comment on the Love Police site due to the fact that it wasn't all bad by any means - the police hugging bit was a great moment that brought a genuine heart swell for me. I think that's the most important element - making peace with the authorities and changing their attitude. After all, they are steadily becoming the henchmen of the NWO working on the front line, and so as they increasingly become told to get heavy with us, we need to get them to start to think twice before it's too late. But then you may have to admit that a certain amount of (lawful) 'antagonism' is required to set up the conditions for that conversation and thereby facilitate that understanding in them. So it's not a bad idea in my view that these events take place, but the 'celebrity' factor needs to disappear. It's amazing how 'the ego' can infect even the most benign and well-intentioned things. And getting 15 year old girls to read out your words as if they were hers... LOL! Surely he must have paused before hitting 'upload' and thought, 'does this look ridiculously contrived?'

But don't get too bogged down in this 'legal' business Danny. The legal world is devoid of morality - just think of wars having a 'legal' basis. If the 'legal' world can excuse that, why gve it the time of day? Of course 'lawful' means something altogether different. You should watch John Harris' latest talk on tpuc.org. He is way ahead of most people I've seen, not just in terms of this knowledge of the law, but spiritually too. But he still admits he's utterly confounded, still! But I think that talk could give you some comfort/inspiration etc.

Anyway, peace to you.

Popplemouse said...

The power of imagery jimme!

How can the Ego not grow with followers hanging on your every word? in the physical the love police may have grown but in the spiritual it may have disappeared perhaps.

Anonymous said...

Dear Danny,
I just wanted to let you know that this article is going on facebook and since you wanted to dissociate yourself from Charles (totally understandable given your reasons), well... you might not have agreed with your name to be displayed on it. And I thought you might like a heads up.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5099719&id=735263487

Cheers!

Anonymous said...

@ Jimme

Yes, sometimes it is almost painful to watch people laughing at Charlie's every utterance as if he had just delivered an oscar winning comedy performance.

I think it was in one of the videos in Amsterdam where he said something to the effect of "oh, look at that policeman with a big stick" while pointing at a policeman carrying a large stick or pole - his mobile audience roared with laughter, the kind of laughter where you are bent double or even need to walk away shaking your head to stop yourself wetting your trousers.

Not one or two, but all of them, almost shouting their laughter.

To be fair this is not Charlie's fault per sa, but the culture that is growing up around him is an unchallenging cult of personality.

Popplemouse said...

Some say what you fight you become, hope this isn't the case.

Anonymous said...

There are interesting parallels showing up between Charlie and a specific historical person...

Maybe it's just me, but there's this guy, kicked out of his job and rejected by the live he dreamed off, with a talent of public speaking, using all the up-to-date methods of mass mobilisation, fighting against the establishment and gathering his private army to free the world of the jewish world conspiracy...

Heard that before somewhere...

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Anonymous said...

Godwin's Law:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

A sign of thread boredom or abject twattery? You decide...

Anonymous said...

While one might think that the any comparison of mister Veitch with that "specific historical person" may be inappropriate, one should also visit thelovepolice.eu and check out what mister Veitch thinks and writes about "the zionists".
In this context it may also be interesting to check out what "new world order conspiracists" in general think about the jewish involvement into what they are fighting against.
Therefore, the observed parallels don't seem to be totally wrong to me. And in the 1920's and early 30's, things did look a bit different then as well...

Anonymous said...

What a lot of 'haters'. :(

Anonymous said...

@ANON

Please dont fall into the lazy trap of intrinsically linking zionism to judaism

Its actually not necessary to be jewish to be a zionist.

Nor lazily lobbing "anti-semite" at anyone who dares criticise israel...

Thanks, from the rest of the thinking world.

Anonymous said...

@Anon,

please refrain from lazily joining zionism with judaism.

And thanks for not falling into the lazy trap of assuming that anyone who criticises israel are anti-semitic - its dull , childish and just holds the world back.

thanks... love the rest of the thinking world.

Anonymous said...

I am not exactly sure, that thw new world order conspiracists that claim it's a jewish/zionist conspiracy actually differentiate between these two words, especially as in many cases when they talk about (basically all I ever encountered) seem to pretty aware of the fact that many of those they consider jewish and involved (e.g. members of the Bilderberg group) do not actuallay are Israelis...

So when you would like to critizise Isreal (which in my opinion should be very much restricted to the Israeli government and right winged settlers - just remember that you might not necessarily want to be connected to all the bad things your government does), then why not do it and talk about a zionist/jewish new world order conspiracy?

Additionally, I would like to mention, that while I do really like the EOK-stuff, I also think that mister Veitch couldn't really handle the internet fame and accidentally but fatally turned to the dark side of the force...

Anonymous said...

Ah !

The cabal of Jews running the world theory, yes it's a common conspiracy theory and I have seen echos of it in Charlie's videos.

His conversation with 'Silverbird (in 'Love Police interviews Silverbird - 2 or 2) has some questionable moments in this regard.

Anonymous said...

"and I have seen echos of it in Charlie's videos."

That's the epitome of smear tactics. Charlie doesn't say it, but you claim you somehow hear 'echoes'.

Grow up.

Anonymous said...

""and I have seen echos of it in Charlie's videos."

That's the epitome of smear tactics. Charlie doesn't say it, but you claim you somehow hear 'echoes'.

Grow up."

Yes, in the Silverbird video, Charlie seems ready, eager even, to engage in some dubious conversation, perhaps I am reading too much into it, but as Silverbird leads the conversation along what, at first, seems to be a vaguely anti-semitic path, Charlie is all too keen to leap in with approval.

Anonymous said...

More smear tactics. You don't bother to provide quotes or anything specific to back up your accusations, you just sling mud and hope that it sticks.

I repeat, Grow Up!

Anonymous said...

Everything is //going to be// OK. Love and respect, ACAI.

Farooq said...

Hey Danny,

check this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8V7MFHk8QA&feature=player_embedded

Man keep telling your videos aren't important. They are.

Anonymous said...

"More smear tactics. You don't bother to provide quotes or anything specific to back up your accusations, you just sling mud and hope that it sticks.

I repeat, Grow Up!"

Please watch the video, Part 2 from around 40 seconds onwards.

If you can't see what I mean I will transcribe the part I am talking about.

Disagreement with me I have no problem with, I can learn a few things from people questioning my thoughts, but please leave out the 'grow up' - what do you expect to achieve by that ?

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Anonymous said...

"but please leave out the 'grow up' - what do you expect to achieve by that ?"

You have no problem handing out accusations of anti-semitism etc. without providing the slightest evidence, yet you get upset at someone telling you to grow up?

My point in saying 'grow up', is to suggest that you are being immature in making insulting, ridiculous and inflammatory accusations, without bothering to justify or substantiate them - my shorthand for which is: Grow up.

I think it's a reasonable suggestion.

Anonymous said...

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"You have no problem handing out accusations of anti-semitism etc. without providing the slightest evidence, yet you get upset at someone telling you to grow up?
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Well perhaps not full on anti-semitism, if you read what I have written I am careful to say (at most) "dubious conversation", "echos of . . . " and so on, I am saying there are what I suspect are hints of Charlie flirting with a kind of populist anti-semitism (the kind found in much of the NWO conspiracy theories).

To further make the point that I am not directly accusing anyone of anti-semitism, but rather hints of a subscription to some of those ideas I further qualified my comments with . .

. . . "perhaps I am reading too much into it"

And I am not particularly upset per sa at being asked to 'grow up' I am just curious as to what you imagine you might achieve by telling people who you disagree with in a conversation to grow up.

At best you will only set them against you, win people over with cogent argument, not insult, it really does work much better with most people.


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"My point in saying 'grow up', is to suggest that you are being immature in making insulting, ridiculous and inflammatory accusations, without bothering to justify or substantiate them"
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Ok, point taken on board with regard to telling people to 'grow up' as a conversational tool - I will take it as you say you mean it.

And as for the idea that I have not justified or substantiated my thoughts, from my very first mention of the idea that Charlie appeared to be flirting close anti-semitism - I cited the source of my concern, the video 'Love Police interviews Silverbird (2 of 2)'

I have even given you to point in seconds from which my observation (whether right or wrong) was drawn, so the idea that I am making wild and absolute accusation devoid of substantiation is without merit.

Anonymous said...

"I have even given you to point in seconds from which my observation (whether right or wrong) was drawn, so the idea that I am making wild and absolute accusation devoid of substantiation is without merit."

You have NOT substantiated your accusations because Charlie says nothing in that video to justify what you have accused him of.

You are expert at making nebulous and groundless - but still very damaging - accusations. In a word, your a mudslinger. You refer to 'hints' and 'echoes' which is meaningless gibberish but which you feel allows you to talk crap about people without having to back up your slander.

Does Charlie say the things you claim he subscribes to or not?

No.

Your come across as a 'hater' with an distinct agenda to smear him.

Anonymous said...

Contd.

For instance, you claimed:

"Ah, the cabal of Jews running the world theory, yes it's a common conspiracy theory and I have seen echos of it in Charlie's videos. His conversation with 'Silverbird has some questionable moments in this regard."

So, cut the crap and waffle, and quote where Charlie advocates the theory in the Silverbird video of a "cabal of Jews running the world".

According to you, Charlie's conversation has some "questionable moments in this regard (Jewish Cabal running world).

Put up or shut up.

Anonymous said...

Contd.

For instance, you claimed:

"Ah, the cabal of Jews running the world theory, yes it's a common conspiracy theory and I have seen echos of it in Charlie's videos. His conversation with 'Silverbird has some questionable moments in this regard."

So, cut the crap and waffle, and quote where Charlie advocates the theory in the Silverbird video of a "cabal of Jews running the world".

According to you, Charlie's conversation has some "questionable moments in this regard (Jewish Cabal running world).

Put up or shut up.

Anonymous said...

I've found only violence, by watching the EOK vids. How it may be possible, to live and communicate real love if you trying to reach it by actions, that are quite violent? For my understanding, violence begins there, where you asking sb to do some action against his/ her own will. For example, to hug the love police. It's the wrong way, to turn sb awareness in direction of peacefull living.
Therefore, I totally understand the choice, you've made, to distance yourself from the "love police" stuff.

Anonymous said...

"For instance, you claimed:

"Ah, the cabal of Jews running the world theory, yes it's a common conspiracy theory and I have seen echos of it in Charlie's videos. His conversation with 'Silverbird has some questionable moments in this regard."

So, cut the crap and waffle, and quote where Charlie advocates the theory in the Silverbird video of a "cabal of Jews running the world"."



I have not said Charlie *advocates* the theory.

I pointed out that the conspiracy theory that the world is run by a cabal of Jews (or variations on that theme) is common amongst conspiracy theorists.

I then go on the make the point that I have seen echos (suggestions, hints, allusions . . . .) of this in Charlie.

So if you are looking for me to point out where in the 'SilverBird' video (or elsewhere) Charlie 'advocates the theory' you will be disappointed as I cannot nor have I claimed that I can.

Let me make this clear.

I can see hints of a very popular idea amongst conspiracy theorists in Charlie, that the Jews are involved at some level or degree in some nebulous plot against mankind. He is not marching around shouting that a secret cabal of Jews are running the world, but he has hinted at Jewish involvement in his myriad of conspiracy fantasies.


Silverbird: "You know Hollywood, films, have a great influence on people . .

Charlie: "Programming, Yeah....."

Silverbird: "Oh, it's a......"

Charlie: "Propaganda...."

Silverbird: "Yes, and you can dictate...listen for instance Steven Spielberg, every year either he produces or is part of a film about the holocaust...."

Charlie: "Yes! To maintain the...."

Silverbird: "Ok"

Charlie: "Yes"

Silverbird: "They maintain this alive, by putting out a film every year about this, I am not saying people should forget...."

Charlie: "No...."

Silverbird: "But....eh...I mean there's not hiding away from it, Steven's Jewish"

Charlie: "Yes"


......the conversation continues, all I am saying is I see hints of Charlie lighting up at various points in the conversation that suggests to me an eagerness to criticise the Jews.

Like I have also said perhaps I am reading too much into this, but knowing the context that the Jews are seen in by many NWO / global conspiracy theorists makes me at least a little suspicious of the underlying tone of the conversation.

Charlie's video uploaded this morning (Friday 2nd April 2010) - again, has less than favourable remarks pointed towards the Jews.

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Luvu2 said...

Having just in the past year trully awakened to the hopicracy and falsehood of how our world has been presented to us in the mainstream media & other associated sources, and having been awakened to the truth via Zeitgeist movies, David Icke, Micheal Tsarion, Micheal Jordan and Edge Media TV etc then finding "The Love Police" with you Danny & Charlie out on the streets free of charge expressing what I myself also feel, I find myself feeling sad that some kind of polarisation has occured to 2 such fine people, I feel sure that for the 11 months or so that you both did the videos together you awoke many people or at least helped them to, as Dave Icke says "Sometimes we get too close to things and all you have to do is take a step back, and look at it again, to realise it's all rubbish", this is what you 2 I feel have allowed many to do due to your own efforts.
All I can hope is that (as good friends do sometimes you fall out and then as time progresses) the universal love that you showed others really existed, will come to bring the 2 of you back to friendship.
I have loved both of your blogs / videos and hope that as they are in the public arena, that they stay there for people like myself who needed that extra kick to understand that the world can trully be a different place as you both so have eloquently described.
Please don't let these videos dissapear, they speak so much of the love that needs to be expressed by us all in these days of NWO politics.

Love McD

Anonymous said...

P.S.
the language of love is very quiet. You don't need a megaphone, to speak this language and send the love message. Otherwise you create the opposite of what you actually would like to show. Why use the same tools as the ordinary police does? And why actually act, like the police acts? In fact the "love police" do the same job like every other "Giant" and "big brother" - trying to convince the people, about the "right way" the "best direction". But can they really take responsibility for what they are talking about?

Anonymous said...

"So if you are looking for me to point out where in the 'SilverBird' video (or elsewhere) Charlie 'advocates the theory' you will be disappointed as I cannot nor have I claimed that I can."

Stop squirming and be honest.

You said that you had seen references to the theory of "a cabal of jews running the world" in Charlie's videos, specifically the Silverbird video. However the truth is that NOTHING is said even remotely like this about a cabal of Jews running the world, either by Silverbird OR Charlie. So you are wrong. You accuse falsely and now you are now lying to cover it up.

And your references to "suggestions, hints, allusions" is pitiful. What this really is is a complete lack of evidence and substance which you feel allows you to slander someone without having to account for yourself.

You are someone who deceitfully spins any reference to the policies of Israel in a negative light as "anti-semitism" when in fact Charlie makes negative comments about Israel and America and Britain and many other governments in the same breath! This is not 'anti-semitism'.

However, your underhand tactics and lack of honesty is accusing someone without a shred of evidence, frankly, disgust me.

Anonymous said...

."You said that you had seen references to the theory of "a cabal of jews running the world" in Charlie's videos, specifically the Silverbird video.

No, not at all, re-read what has been said, do a search on this page for the word 'references', it first appears in your post here that I am quoting.

However the truth is that NOTHING is said even remotely like this about a cabal of Jews running the world, either by Silverbird OR Charlie. So you are wrong. You accuse falsely and now you are now lying to cover it up.

Ha !

:D

Let me state it once again . . . .

I can see hints of a very popular idea amongst conspiracy theorists in Charlie, that the Jews are involved at some level or degree in some nebulous plot against mankind. He is not marching around shouting that a secret cabal of Jews are running the world, but he has hinted at Jewish involvement in his myriad of conspiracy fantasies.


However, your underhand tactics and lack of honesty is accusing someone without a shred of evidence, frankly, disgust me.

Oh calm down !! You are someone on the internet who I do not know, do you really think I am going to be effected in any way by being called names, told to shut up, told I am immature, I disgust you, I am a liar . . . and so on ?

I have made my point as clearly as I can, I am not aware of having lied anywhere, I have placed my view in the right context - that being one of 'perhaps I am reading too much into this - but there is it, that is my view and you have offered nothing to dissuade me from it.

Anonymous said...

"Ha !

:D

Let me state it once again . . . . "

You have nothing to say, no evidence, nothing to substantiate your slander so you continually refer to unspecified and nonexistent "hints, allusions, suggestions" to excuse your smearing someone's name without cause.

I think you should be held to account for trying to do that and I'm hopeful that anyone reading the nonsense you have written will see that you cannot substantiate any of it.

I'm sure you are aware just how damaging the type of accusations you slyly make can be to someone's reputation, but you go head anyway, without any cause or justification.

Shame on you.

Anonymous said...

"Shame on you."


Oh, that hurts, you've certainly put me in my place !

: )

Anonymous said...

You have nothing to say, no evidence, nothing to substantiate your slander so you continually refer to unspecified and nonexistent "hints, allusions, suggestions" to excuse your smearing someone's name without cause.


Ok, step by step.


1) "You have nothing to say"


What I have to say is this:

Firstly, there is a commonly held notion amongst conspiracy theorists that Jews are the driving force behind a global conspiracy, Jews are often linked to the 'illuminati', an international Jewish banking conspiracy (centred around the Rothschild family), a cabal of Jews controlling the world and various other NWO conspiracy notions.

Secondly, I have seen hints of this theme in Charlie's videos, this is hardly surprising as from what I can see Charlie subscribes to just about every conspiracy theory out there.



2) "no evidence, nothing to substantiate your slander**"

I have pointed you to examples of where I perceive Charlie to be flirting with this theme.

(**that would be 'Libel' rather than 'slander'.)





3) I think you should be held to account for trying to do that and I'm hopeful that anyone reading the nonsense you have written will see that you cannot substantiate any of it.

As I have said above, I have pointed you to examples of where I perceive Charlie to be flirting with this theme.

I am not sure of which country you are in, but over here we have no 'thought crime' laws, so my opinion would be difficult to 'hold to account' - free speech is not something you should be too keen to stamp on.





4) I'm sure you are aware just how damaging the type of accusations you slyly make can be to someone's reputation, but you go head anyway, without any cause or justification.

It's my opinion, take it or leave it.

We can hardly talk of reputation and slander and leave Charlie and his own views out of the picture.

When he stands on the street and preaches to the public through a loud hailer that vaccines are a plot to damage health rather than protect health - is not the reputation of all the hard working immunologist and pathologists and epidemiologists being rubbished ?

People who have dedicated a life's work to the eradication and prevention of diseases that in previous centuries have brought misery on grand scales, people who have helped extend lives immeasurably and rescue whole continents from the blight of sickness. These people are literally being called murderers by Charlie, his qualifications in the area of medicine from what I am aware being roughly zero.

Are you going to get so worked up about the damage done here to good people's reputation, stamp your feet and ask for him to be held to account ?

Anonymous said...

Anon at 12:15, let it go. You are arguing with a known troll and serial hater of Charlie, MrsStraightA. It's this persons mission to defame Charlie and every time you reply you just give them opportunity to post more malicious lies. Spot the pattern and let it go.

Anonymous said...

Hi Anon at 11:23 AM

Firstly I am a bloke not a girl and my name is not Mrs Straight, it's not even Mr Straight.

I am not trolling, I am making a simple point about something I perceive in Charlie's videos, the reaction has been rather over the top in my own opinion, such indignation at hearing someone question Charlie's silly ideas.


My first post starts with:

"Ah !

The cabal of Jews running the world theory"


If you track back beyond this point, you can see others touching on the same subject, I have qualified my comments by saying (more than once) that I may be reading more into this than is warranted and even went on to state:

"He is not marching around shouting that a secret cabal of Jews are running the world, but he has hinted at Jewish involvement in his myriad of conspiracy fantasies."

I retain my right to voice my opinion, I have done so, it has be handled quite poorly by people, a rather knee jerk reaction, not much I can do about that to be honest.

I will leave it there, unless someone wants to misrepresent what it is I have said once more, in which case I will state my position once again.

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At MrsStraightA immediately above.

You're a liar. You are MrsStraightA (Youtube troll).

You admitted it here:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=28185872&postID=3074067991202245532&page=0&token

Saying: "Hi there whoever you are, yes it's me 'MrsStraightA'

Your agenda and writing style - including the freqent use of double asterisks "**" seen both in your posts above here and on the linked page where you admit to being MrsStraightA cleary identify you.

You are hijacking Danny's blog as a place to continue your vendetta against Charlie and peddle your lies and false accusations- 'antisemitism' being a new low.

That is why people have a problem with you, so don't attempt to twist things to make it seem like there is 'indignation' at 'questionng Charlie's silly ideas'. There is indignation at your lies and false accusations.

Don't complain about being 'misepresented' when you misrepresent the argument of others, your own argument, and Charlie's videos. All you do is twist and misrepresent.

Don't think you can casually and baselessly throw incredibly damaging accusations that people are Anti-Semitic without consequences, MrsStraightA.

Dean said...

What's with the bollocks going on here in certain comments?? people trying to "out" each other..Jeez!So what if Charlie's on a different path? So what if he's anti-zionist or not, what on earth has it got to do with anyone except Charlie? And surely the best place for anyone wishing to question Charlie or his "supposed" motives is either on his webpage or on either of his Facebook pages or better still...to his face. This is Danny's blog, so what are you doing here? Take your bickering somewhere that's relevant I say or maybe start your own blogs if you feel so strongly about something?

I don't agree with some of the things Charlie is into at the moment but it's his choice and certainly none of my business and no-one elses. Instead of bickering and accusing, you should be getting back to the business at hand, namely spreading the word and helping in the awakening..don't get sidetracked.

Anonymous said...

You're a liar. You are MrsStraightA (Youtube troll).

You people are hilarious !

I have told you I am not MrS Straight A - why do you insist I am her ? If you want me to be her I am willing to have a go!, would you like me to put a dress on too !


You admitted it here:

xxxxlink

Saying: "Hi there whoever you are, yes it's me 'MrsStraightA'



That is simply the most brilliant piece of circular logic I have ever come across, how do you know I am her, easy because I say so right there !

I could use the same logic to prove you are Mrs Straight A, just take a look at this here-

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=28185872&postID=3074067991202245532&page=0&token

See, you even say "Hi there whoever you are, yes it's me 'MrsStraightA'

What more proof do you want!


Your agenda and writing style - including the freqent use of double asterisks "**" seen both in your posts above here and on the linked page where you admit to being MrsStraightA cleary identify you.


I don't want to disappoint you, but I am afraid you are on the wrong track **here**, if I were Mrs Straight A why on earth would I want to conceal that - especially as I have apparently already admitted I am her!?

I have already pointed this out once, but for all my life I have been under the illusion that I am male, and even with your brilliant use of circular logic I remain under that illusion.

You are hijacking Danny's blog as a place to continue your vendetta against Charlie and peddle your lies and false accusations- 'antisemitism' being a new low.

Good god! I have made no accusations of antisemitism, I have stated clearly (and repeatedly with the proviso that I may be reading too much into this) that firstly, there is a commonly held notion amongst conspiracy theorists that Jews are the driving force behind various NWO conspiracy notions.

Secondly, I see hints of this theme in Charlie's videos, by that I do not mean he is not marching around shouting that a secret cabal of Jews are running the world, but I see him hinting at Jewish involvement in his myriad of conspiracy fantasies.


That is why people have a problem with you, so don't attempt to twist things to make it seem like there is 'indignation' at 'questionng Charlie's silly ideas'. There is indignation at your lies and false accusations.

Well! Firstly I have told no lies, secondly if anyone has dragged this subject out to far more than my original point warranted it is yourself. And I think anyone following these posts could see that there has been clear indignation on your part (assuming you are the same person who has been keeping this issue alive).

Don't think you can casually and baselessly throw incredibly damaging accusations that people are Anti-Semitic without consequences, MrsStraightA.

Haha! LOL!!

You really ought to calm down a little, I have accused no one of being anti-semitic, certainly not Charlie, I know what I meant to say as I was the person who wrote it! Is there a theory amongst conspiracy nuts about a cabal of Jews running the world, yes there is, have I seen Charlie flirt with this subject, yes I have, I mentioned two examples above, see what you think, maybe even come back with some decent debate as to how I am wrong, how I am misinterpreting this, or even how you agree with me, but if you simply want keep dragging this up, I will do as I said I will and simply keep restating my point.


Do I think there is a commonly held idea (amongst conspiracy nuts) that Jews are behind various NWO conspiracies? Yes.

Do I think Charlie is an anti-semite? No, not at all, for all I know or care he is Jewish, but I do see (what I perceive to be) hints of this idea in his videos, I have pointed you to examples above, make of it what you will.

Anonymous said...

One final point, my use of the double asterisk is correct - (authors generally retain asterisk for "unattested", and prefix superscript "x" or "?" or double asterisk "**" for the latter meaning.).

Additionally a quick scan will tell you that your idea that I employ the frequent use of double asterisks turns out to be . . . . . just once, yes just the once, and as I say above, correctly used.

Anonymous said...

Wrong, it's twice that you use the double asterisks on this page, and you also use single asterisks. Such use of asterisks is a dead giveaway of your identity as MrsStraightA, as is your pompous long-winded style, your agenda to smear Charlie and your pedantic nature which compels you post AGAIN simply to pontificate on the proper literary use of asterisks. lol.

Anonymous said...

Wrong, it's twice that you use the double asterisks on this page, and you also use single asterisks.

Wow, this is getting silly, I shouldn't really respond to this kind of pointless drawn out clutching at straws in an attempt (for reasons unknown to me) to connect me with a woman I have not only never met, but never heard of.

But what can I say, I am a pedant, so here goes!

When you use a double asterisk it's used to denote something, you then (again using double asterisk) reference what it is you want to denote.

This is considered a single usage.

So, like I say the idea that I employ the "frequent use of double asterisks" is simply not true, as I only use a double asterisk once in all my posts, and for the correct reason.

And now you have added the additional charge of

"and you also use single asterisks."

Again, I used single asterisks once to highlight a word (*advocates*) - what is the current prison sentence over in the UK (assuming that is where you are) for such a crime?


Such use of asterisks is a dead giveaway of your identity as MrsStraightA, as is your pompous long-winded style

Please take the time to look up the correct use of double asterisks, as you have said I am pompous and long-winded, it's people like me who employ asterisks correctly.

And I am still to hear a logical reason as to why if I am this woman (check genitals once more, yes still there) I would not say so?

After all she has proudly announced her presence already.

your agenda to smear Charlie and your pedantic nature which compels you post AGAIN simply to pontificate on the proper literary use of asterisks. lol.

Yes, pedantic, exacting, tediously so sometimes and often long-winded, but what can I say, that's just how my mind works.

Do I frequently use double asterisks? No, not at all.

Am I a woman called Mrs Straight A? No, not only not her, but not even a woman.

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Anonymous said...

'Mr' or 'Mrs' Straight A (you use both), man or woman, who knows and who cares? it's just an account name after all. The point is it's abundantly clear that you are the same person who posted under that name on youtube and on this page:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=28185872&postID=3074067991202245532&page=0&token

You and your agenda are obvious. You seem to relish these long exchanges - which makes me wonder if your desire is to hijack and disrupt this blog as well as deceptively malign Mr Veitch, with absurd references to Anti-Semitism and the BNP etc. - so I'll leave it there, for now.

Anonymous said...

You and your agenda are obvious. You seem to relish these long exchanges - which makes me wonder if your desire is to hijack and disrupt this blog as well as deceptively malign Mr Veitch, with absurd references to Anti-Semitism and the BNP etc. - so I'll leave it there, for now.

Good, your wrong, very wrong, embarrassingly wrong, but glad to hear that your insistence that I am Mr or Mrs Straight A (glad to hear you have introduced a gender option) is at an end.

The BNP is a new one on me though! Not sure I have typed the acronym BNP before in my life, but I now know they are a far right UK patriot/nationalist group, thanks for the education, I have learnt a couple of things from this, what the BNP are and that I am apparently a woman.

Nice speaking to you.

naomi said...

dear danny...

i have so much love for both you and charlie.

i also have great uneasiness for a lot of things i've seen over the past couple of months, but i have shared those thoughts directly with charlie and will keep them to myself publicly. i hold faith that he will put himself right in line with where his intentions are, if he finds that he has wandered off a bit...beyond that it isn't my place to judge him. only to quietly share my observations as a friend.

that said, to you i want to offer my love and prayers and support. i feel that you've handled yourself in a genuine matter and you seem to be staying true to yourself through all of this. no one is ever free of any mistake, it's impossible. what you've done is try to make right what you feel were mistakes for you and if there are obstacles (like the actions of others) in your way, so be it. your side of the street is clean.

i hope that there is nothing to fear, for you or for your family. i don't believe, anywhere in my heart, that any ill could come to you out of the good that you've done. i just don't believe it. but i do think you're doing the right thing, in regards to feeling those concerns, to distance yourself from charlie's message if it is not your own. i often feel torn about my place and purpose in the world because i'm a parent as well. in the end, we must all be true to ourselves above all else.

so much love to you, danny. thank you for sharing your bright light with us. the gratitude i feel for you now brings tears.

naomi

danny shine said...

Thank you so much naomi (and all the others) who posted. Just involved in my inner process at this time whatever that means.

AlexFate said...

Hi Danny – I’m writing this listening to your daughter singing on your ‘Danny responds to Message of the Resistance’ video from Charlies ‘Everything is still OK’ youtube collection. I am glad it is still there – it is a beautiful video truly rich in human spirit.

On your ‘statement of politics’ blog I said I’d take time to ‘consider and reflect’ – well I have and in a rather arrogant fashion (I hope it doesn’t appear so…) I have a conclusion for you.
There is an age old argument between ‘intentions and results’ – the best laid intentions lead to hell they say – but what values do intentions have without results (of course the results are very subjective). I choose intentions over results and I favour their ‘unknown’ results. On that blog I focused upon what you did not say rather than what you did – ie the absence of the word friend. I have noticed it is a word you shy away from.

I’ve thought a lot about your split from Charlie. Why did I do this? Because I believed in both your intentions. Whatever results they may have generated. When you split from Charlie I felt that it must have been a difficult time for you. When you asked for ‘your’ videos to be removed you seemed to have real structure to your actions. It was clear there was a change. Rather than talk of all the events in your life I (and others I believe) felt a shift. I now believe this shift was from intentions to results and curiously your split seems to have focused both of your efforts upon results – or at least that is how it appears to me.
Danny, I believe you were wrong (now there’s a statement – lol) in thinking Charlies LPA is “utterly stupid” (You once said Charlies work felt like a reckless departure but that you were not saying he was wrong or right – utterly stupid seems far more judgmental). If he is simply doing what he feels to be right then what is stupid in that? That does not mean you need to agree with his actions – but do you really feel it is stupid for him to do what he feels he needs too? Even more so, to say he has little understanding… well now, it seems you are the one with sweeping statements – I am sure that many people have had great understandings of events as they committed atrocities… Is understanding really the issue here – I do not think so.

I’m sure Charlie was hurt by your actions at the time – not simply by your decision to split, but by the way in which you chose to do it. Yet I also appreciate you had reasons and needed to make choices. I do not like your title ‘Divide and conquer’ – why? Because I see the division reflected in peoples replies. Perhaps one day you will feel free enough to write a new blog of ‘United and at peace’ with a video of you and Charlie smiling. Maybe your daughter would sing another song for it – I will wait, I’m a patient man ;-)

Be well Danny – and thank you once again.

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Anonymous said...

I am pretty sickened that the background graphic on Charlie's youtube page is a figure with a gas mask and a gun in the air.

This is certainly not in the spirit of the love police.

I, unfortunately, must distance myself from cveitch as well.

James Random said...

I noted on several occasions you said to people to look up Everything is OK on youtube. Which to me indicated you were aware that the uploading was being done? Was a bit confused by all of that.

danny shine said...

of course I am aware of uploading being done. Charlie informed me of it as soon as he did it. Its just been done without my consent. And at the same time, on the whole I think the videos were great still - I just was unhappy with some aspects as stated and realise now that it is not wise to let someone have full control over my image, especially a relatively new aquaintence

naomi said...

danny,
is there a way to email you privately on here or only to post? i'd like to share something with you, but not with the whole world. if not, no worries. my email is lovevsreason@gmail.com

Mahesh said...

In one of your video, you were speaking about lawyers. Laws are written by lawyers, with ....

Then, when you had difference with Charlie, you started using the lawyer words, such as sending mail by registration to charlie, charlie does not have my permission to post my videdo? On one side you dont like the laws, on the other side you want to use the same laws. You cannot be on both sides.

I love you so much. Just I had difference of view on this topic. I watched your vedio's zillion times. I am a fan of yours.

Also your kid will be proud of you. The work that you did.

Just do not talk about Charlie. Think about yourself and your family and your ideas. It hurts some one wants to become famous, using your ideas and vedio's . Thats the world. The only way we can defeat such people is coming up with new ideas. Not giving up completely and blaming Charlie.

danny shine said...

I think I am doing my best at avoiding blamig charlie. As regards the law, I am admitting that I am pretty ignorant about it and am learning more and more. I think that we are better off living in a society with laws until such time as our concioussness is raised enough. But the system as it stands seems deeply flawed. But I am still affected by it and there fore to some extent choose to use it in some circumstances. If that is hypocritical, so be it. I am also doing my best at accepting that I dont know much about much.

Anonymous said...

I think you made a sensible choice Danny, I became interested by the EIO videos but the newer content is just not on the same level, far from it in fact.

Good luck.

sheeplecorp said...

Danny, i feel after seeing some of Charlies newest videos you made the right choice to distance your self from him. I didn't really see it at the time, but i think this shows really you were quite insightful to begin distancing yourself from him. I still enjoy some of of his new stuff but i feel he is heading down a dark road in his videos with talk of "building an army" or things such as mentioned in a previous post here the background with a man in a gas mask holding a gun. I ponder how long it will be until Charlie is arrested under counter terrorism acts of law or his youtube channel is suspended.

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